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Tripe Face
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posted November 01, 2007 09:56 PM
Taps is playing somewhere tonight for Gen. Paul Tibbetts, the pilot of the Enola Gay. He alone, among his four-man B-29 crew knew what kind of bomb they were dropping on Hiroshima that day. It never bothered him one bit.
I had the honor of interviewing Gen. Tibbetts a few years ago right in front of the rebuilt Enola Gay at the Smithsonian. He was in frail health, hard of hearing, in need of a wheelchair. But when the camera approached and the light came on, he stood up straight and proud and answered all my questions.
Many of the quotes he gave me are similiar to what you've been reading in the obits. But one thing he said I'll never forget. When talking about the actual Hiroshima mission, he said it was one of the easiest he had flown. First because the B-29 was practically brand new... flew much better than the B-17s he'd risked his life in over North Africa and Europe. And it had a pressurized cockpit, which meant it was snug and warm. He told me "put his feet up" while they made their way towards Japan.
My father joined the Marines just before the end of WWII. Had the Emporer not surrendered after the 2nd atomic bomb, Dad would have likely been sent to the Pacific to try to fight the Japanese on their own home islands. Seeing how they fought to the death to protect sh!tty little islands like Iwo Jima and Guadalcanal, you can only imagine how many American GIs and Japanese soldiers and civilians would have died if not for Gen. Tibbetts and the missions he and others flew.
My fellow producer snapped a picture of me with Gen. Tibbetts that day, I will always treasure it.
I salute you General!
ETA: the picture that Vulcan kindly hosted.
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posted November 01, 2007 10:10 PM
Post the pic.
If you need, email it, I'll host it.
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posted November 01, 2007 11:52 PM
I don't think anyone really knew
what kind of bomb they dropped that day.
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posted November 02, 2007 05:52 AM
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Post the pic.
If you need, email it, I'll host it.
I have emailed it to you Vulcan. Thank you for your kind offer.
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posted November 02, 2007 06:21 AM
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Originally posted by Tripe Face:
Taps is playing somewhere tonight for Gen. Paul Tibbetts, the pilot of the Enola Gay. He alone, among his four-man B-29 crew knew what kind of bomb they were dropping on Hiroshima that day. It never bothered him one bit.
I had the honor of interviewing Gen. Tibbetts a few years ago right in front of the rebuilt Enola Gay at the Smithsonian. He was in frail health, hard of hearing, in need of a wheelchair. But when the camera approached and the light came on, he stood up straight and proud and answered all my questions.
Many of the quotes he gave me are similiar to what you've been reading in the obits. But one thing he said I'll never forget. When talking about the actual Hiroshima mission, he said it was one of the easiest he had flown. First because the B-29 was practically brand new... flew much better than the B-17s he'd risked his life in over North Africa and Europe. And it had a pressurized cockpit, which meant it was snug and warm. He told me "put his feet up" while they made their way towards Japan.
My father joined the Marines just before the end of WWII. Had the Emporer not surrendered after the 2nd atomic bomb, Dad would have likely been sent to the Pacific to try to fight the Japanese on their own home islands. Seeing how they fought to the death to protect sh!tty little islands like Iwo Jima and Guadalcanal, you can only imagine how many American GIs and Japanese soldiers and civilians would have died if not for Gen. Tibbetts and the missions he and others flew.
My fellow producer snapped a picture of me with Gen. Tibbetts that day, I will always treasure it.
I salute you General!
Tripe...I thought he was a Captain?
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posted November 02, 2007 06:25 AM
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Originally posted by Clubbeat:
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Originally posted by Tripe Face:
Taps is playing somewhere tonight for Gen. Paul Tibbetts, the pilot of the Enola Gay. He alone, among his four-man B-29 crew knew what kind of bomb they were dropping on Hiroshima that day. It never bothered him one bit.
I had the honor of interviewing Gen. Tibbetts a few years ago right in front of the rebuilt Enola Gay at the Smithsonian. He was in frail health, hard of hearing, in need of a wheelchair. But when the camera approached and the light came on, he stood up straight and proud and answered all my questions.
Many of the quotes he gave me are similiar to what you've been reading in the obits. But one thing he said I'll never forget. When talking about the actual Hiroshima mission, he said it was one of the easiest he had flown. First because the B-29 was practically brand new... flew much better than the B-17s he'd risked his life in over North Africa and Europe. And it had a pressurized cockpit, which meant it was snug and warm. He told me "put his feet up" while they made their way towards Japan.
My father joined the Marines just before the end of WWII. Had the Emporer not surrendered after the 2nd atomic bomb, Dad would have likely been sent to the Pacific to try to fight the Japanese on their own home islands. Seeing how they fought to the death to protect sh!tty little islands like Iwo Jima and Guadalcanal, you can only imagine how many American GIs and Japanese soldiers and civilians would have died if not for Gen. Tibbetts and the missions he and others flew.
My fellow producer snapped a picture of me with Gen. Tibbetts that day, I will always treasure it.
I salute you General!
Tripe...I thought he was a Captain?
Not when I met him, he was retired Brig. Gen.
I believe at the time of the mission, he was a Colonel.
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posted November 02, 2007 06:30 AM
I heard this morning on the radio that the tail gunner said it was like looking into hell as they flew away. Another crew member wrote something along the lines of "what have we done?" in his logbook. I never thought for a moment that what the US did at that time was avoidable, but I've always wondered what kind of man wouldn't lose a single night's sleep over something like that.
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posted November 02, 2007 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by Mr. Rugen:
I heard this morning on the radio that the tail gunner said it was like looking into hell as they flew away. Another crew member wrote something along the lines of "what have we done?" in his logbook. I never thought for a moment that what the US did at that time was avoidable, but I've always wondered what kind of man wouldn't lose a single night's sleep over something like that.
I agree.
I also wonder why innocent Japanese lives of women and children were considered expendable to stop the war. Wasn't attacking civilian populations seen as cowardly until then?
Were there a god and judgement day, Gen. Tibbetts would have a lot of explaining to do.
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posted November 02, 2007 07:06 AM
I wouldn't go that far at all. The Japanese army had proven that it would take something catastrophic to stop them. The US did what it had to do, my only issue was that the General either didn't seem to realize the gravity of what he'd done of his it well. I don't think you can live to 92 by burying that kind of guilt, so I'll assume it's the former.
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posted November 02, 2007 07:22 AM
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Please. More people died in conventional bombing of Tokyo and other large Japenese cities than died in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
A soldier job is not to reason why, but to do or die. That may sound overly simple, but it just is that simple.
Godspeed, Paul Tibbetts.
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posted November 02, 2007 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by Dap:
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Originally posted by Mr. Rugen:
I heard this morning on the radio that the tail gunner said it was like looking into hell as they flew away. Another crew member wrote something along the lines of "what have we done?" in his logbook. I never thought for a moment that what the US did at that time was avoidable, but I've always wondered what kind of man wouldn't lose a single night's sleep over something like that.
I agree.
I also wonder why innocent Japanese lives of women and children were considered expendable to stop the war. Wasn't attacking civilian populations seen as cowardly until then?
Were there a god and judgement day, Gen. Tibbetts would have a lot of explaining to do.
Was Hiroshima a military target? Was Nagasaki? There was much condemnation of the bombing of Dresden Germany because of the civilian casualties but Dresden was a military target. There were factories there facilitating the German war effort.
This recent mindset of being able to conduct a war without civilian lives being lost is misguided. There are ALWAYS civilian casualties in war. The American tactic of trying not to have them has inspired the insurgents and others to place guns in neighborhoods and mosques, and to use human shields. It could be argued that it's actually increased the likelihood of civilian deaths rather than decrease it.
Sometimes decisions have to be made for the good of all and sometimes these decisions can be catastrophic for the few. We just have to accept it and work to prevent the need for those sort of decisions.
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posted November 02, 2007 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by amp:
Please. More people died in conventional bombing of Tokyo and other large Japenese cities than died in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
A soldier job is not to reason why, but to do or die. That may sound overly simple, but it just is that simple.
Godspeed, Paul Tibbetts.
Amen. May he find peace with God.
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posted November 02, 2007 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by Dap:
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Originally posted by Mr. Rugen:
I heard this morning on the radio that the tail gunner said it was like looking into hell as they flew away. Another crew member wrote something along the lines of "what have we done?" in his logbook. I never thought for a moment that what the US did at that time was avoidable, but I've always wondered what kind of man wouldn't lose a single night's sleep over something like that.
I agree.
I also wonder why innocent Japanese lives of women and children were considered expendable to stop the war. Wasn't attacking civilian populations seen as cowardly until then?
Were there a god and judgement day, Gen. Tibbetts would have a lot of explaining to do.
It's a good thing you folks weren't running the show back then, we'd still be fighting the Japanese in caves. Learn your history for God's sake and quit parroting warm and fuzzy nonsense!
Unfortunately, the reason we are still in Iraq is because of politically correct BS like that.
It's a war idiots! People die in wars! The civilians who protect and support the bad guys are targets.
Are you really naive enough to think that if Hitler and Tojo had the capability they wouldn't have done the same thing to New York???
I'm not sure there is any hope for us.
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posted November 02, 2007 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by Dap:
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Originally posted by Mr. Rugen:
I heard this morning on the radio that the tail gunner said it was like looking into hell as they flew away. Another crew member wrote something along the lines of "what have we done?" in his logbook. I never thought for a moment that what the US did at that time was avoidable, but I've always wondered what kind of man wouldn't lose a single night's sleep over something like that.
I agree.
I also wonder why innocent Japanese lives of women and children were considered expendable to stop the war. Wasn't attacking civilian populations seen as cowardly until then?
Were there a god and judgement day, Gen. Tibbetts would have a lot of explaining to do.
Point #1: There were no INNOCENT Japanese civilians. The entire populace that was old enough to carry a knife or gun was sworn in and trained as some kind of national defense force. They were all sworn to kill the invading army or die trying.
Point #2: As soon as man set aside bows and arrows and started fighting with weapons that used gunpowder innocent civilians became expendable. Do you think Gen. Grant would have stopped shelling Vicksburg because civilians were inside or Pershing would have held back at Verdun because innocent civilians could have been harmed by cannon fire that landed out of sight of the American artillary men?
And long before Tibbets dropped the bomb on Hiroshima, Allied bombers wiped out... I mean erased from the map... several German towns with conventional bombing aimed (successfully) at starting huge firestorms.
Point #3. Hiroshima was horrible, no doubt about that. But I don't think Tibbets had any reason to feel guilty. He followed his orders (even though he was told it was an atomic bomb, I think even he has admitted he didn't really conceive of what that meant) and that's exactly what Truman told him in the White House a while later. Tibbets told me Truman said "Tell them I told you to do it."
Tibbets said there was no need.
Fact is, it took not one but TWO nuclear bombs to convince the Japanese Emperor that they could not win the war. Surrender was such anathema to the Japanese psyche that they would have preferred hundreds of thousands if not millions of their own people's death to waving the white flag. And that would have cost hundreds of thousands of American lives as well. Including possibly my father's.
So what Tibbets did not only saved American lives, it saved Japanese lives as well. I don't think he has any reason to feel guilty, and I'm sure his talks with St. Peter at the Pearly Gates were very succinct indeed.
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posted November 02, 2007 08:56 AM
Well put, Tripe.
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posted November 02, 2007 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by Tripe Face:
He alone, among his four-man B-29 crew knew what kind of bomb they were dropping on Hiroshima that day.
The others had to know it was an unusual mission or they were the three most clueless people in the military.
Let's see. We've been dropping thousands and thousands of bombs on Japan. Now we're in a brand new plane. How many bombs are we unleashing on this mission?
One.
One?
Correct.
We're flying all the way to Hiroshima, we're dropping one bomb and we're turning around and flying back.
Yep.
Oh, OK. Nothing unusual there.
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posted November 02, 2007 12:00 PM
I am so very tired of hearing the stupid logic of slaughtering tens of thousands of Japanese "in order to save lives." Truman was nothing less than a mass-murderer.
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posted November 02, 2007 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by Tripe Face:
Taps is playing somewhere tonight for Gen. Paul Tibbetts, the pilot of the Enola Gay. He alone, among his four-man B-29 crew knew what kind of bomb they were dropping on Hiroshima that day. It never bothered him one bit.
I had the honor of interviewing Gen. Tibbetts a few years ago right in front of the rebuilt Enola Gay at the Smithsonian. He was in frail health, hard of hearing, in need of a wheelchair. But when the camera approached and the light came on, he stood up straight and proud and answered all my questions.
I too had the "honor" of interviewing Mr. Tibbetts.
He struck me as a very ordinary man who did an extraordinary thing -- and lived with the praise and the guilt of what he was ordered to do.
I asked Mr. Tibbets what he thought the moment he gave the order to drop the bomb. He said he could only think about "getting the hell out of there" after dropping the bomb.
"I didn't know if I was going to get blown up with it," said Tibbets.
What a witness to history. That must have been something.
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posted November 02, 2007 12:08 PM
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I am so very tired of hearing the stupid logic of slaughtering tens of thousands of Japanese "in order to save lives." Truman was nothing less than a mass-murderer.
So you would have preferred that we invade the Japanese home islands the conventional way. Bomb, shell and shoot our way to Tokyo and kill easily hundreds of thousands of Japanese people (perhaps more than a million) and in the process have tens of thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands of American GIs in the process?
Do you have some super secret strategy for beating the Japanese that you haven't shared with the rest of us. Otherwise that was the choice... bomb them and hope they surrender or fight tooth and nail, killing hundreds of thousands, perhaps a million or more people in the process.
Frankly, the bomb was the humane choice... not that the bastards who bombed Pearl Harbor deserved any humane treatment.
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posted November 02, 2007 12:58 PM
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I am so very tired of hearing the stupid logic of slaughtering tens of thousands of Japanese "in order to save lives." Truman was nothing less than a mass-murderer.
SO you would have prefered to have over a million killed in a land invasion.
Good God, read a book.
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posted November 02, 2007 01:04 PM
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I am so very tired of hearing the stupid logic of slaughtering tens of thousands of Japanese "in order to save lives." Truman was nothing less than a mass-murderer.
Agreed.
We targeted innocent civilians. When terrorists do that, we're sickened. And rightfully so.
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posted November 02, 2007 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by Marty McFly:
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Originally posted by NewsMom:
I am so very tired of hearing the stupid logic of slaughtering tens of thousands of Japanese "in order to save lives." Truman was nothing less than a mass-murderer.
Agreed.
We targeted innocent civilians. When terrorists do that, we're sickened. And rightfully so.
Read history... Hiroshima was a key city in Japan's Military idustrustrial complex. It was making weapons to kill Americans.
Also, as I mentioned before. Japan had no "Civilians" every person old enough to hold a knife, sword or gun was sworn into a kind of homeland defense force and trained to kill American GIs.
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posted November 02, 2007 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Tripe Face:
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Originally posted by Clubbeat:
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Originally posted by Tripe Face:
Taps is playing somewhere tonight for Gen. Paul Tibbetts, the pilot of the Enola Gay. He alone, among his four-man B-29 crew knew what kind of bomb they were dropping on Hiroshima that day. It never bothered him one bit.
I had the honor of interviewing Gen. Tibbetts a few years ago right in front of the rebuilt Enola Gay at the Smithsonian. He was in frail health, hard of hearing, in need of a wheelchair. But when the camera approached and the light came on, he stood up straight and proud and answered all my questions.
Many of the quotes he gave me are similiar to what you've been reading in the obits. But one thing he said I'll never forget. When talking about the actual Hiroshima mission, he said it was one of the easiest he had flown. First because the B-29 was practically brand new... flew much better than the B-17s he'd risked his life in over North Africa and Europe. And it had a pressurized cockpit, which meant it was snug and warm. He told me "put his feet up" while they made their way towards Japan.
My father joined the Marines just before the end of WWII. Had the Emporer not surrendered after the 2nd atomic bomb, Dad would have likely been sent to the Pacific to try to fight the Japanese on their own home islands. Seeing how they fought to the death to protect sh!tty little islands like Iwo Jima and Guadalcanal, you can only imagine how many American GIs and Japanese soldiers and civilians would have died if not for Gen. Tibbetts and the missions he and others flew.
My fellow producer snapped a picture of me with Gen. Tibbetts that day, I will always treasure it.
I salute you General!
Tripe...I thought he was a Captain?
Not when I met him, he was retired Brig. Gen.
I believe at the time of the mission, he was a Colonel.
Lt. Colonel. He's the old guy shaking hands with George Clooney there.
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posted November 02, 2007 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by Tripe Face:
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Originally posted by Marty McFly:
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Originally posted by NewsMom:
I am so very tired of hearing the stupid logic of slaughtering tens of thousands of Japanese "in order to save lives." Truman was nothing less than a mass-murderer.
Agreed.
We targeted innocent civilians. When terrorists do that, we're sickened. And rightfully so.
Read history... Hiroshima was a key city in Japan's Military idustrustrial complex. It was making weapons to kill Americans.
Also, as I mentioned before. Japan had no "Civilians" every person old enough to hold a knife, sword or gun was sworn into a kind of homeland defense force and trained to kill American GIs.
Japan was already offering to surrender. That wasn't good enough?
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posted November 02, 2007 03:07 PM
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I'm not sure there is any hope for us.
When this country throws its prinicples out the window as soon as the going gets tough (you, i believe, support torture), I'd have to agree with you.
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posted November 02, 2007 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by Tripe Face:
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Originally posted by Marty McFly:
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Originally posted by NewsMom:
I am so very tired of hearing the stupid logic of slaughtering tens of thousands of Japanese "in order to save lives." Truman was nothing less than a mass-murderer.
Agreed.
We targeted innocent civilians. When terrorists do that, we're sickened. And rightfully so.
Read history... Hiroshima was a key city in Japan's Military idustrustrial complex. It was making weapons to kill Americans.
Also, as I mentioned before. Japan had no "Civilians" every person old enough to hold a knife, sword or gun was sworn into a kind of homeland defense force and trained to kill American GIs.
Japan was already offering to surrender. That wasn't good enough?
Can you provide a credible source about that?
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posted November 02, 2007 03:09 PM
It's bad enough that you pu--y peaceniks are stupid, but then you try to re-write history to boot. Somebody suggested you go read a book. How about a history book.
God help us all.
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posted November 02, 2007 03:14 PM
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It's bad enough that you pu--y peaceniks are stupid, but then you try to re-write history to boot. Somebody suggested you go read a book. How about a history book.
God help us all.
I'd suggest the same for you. Japan offered to surrender two weeks before the bomb was dropped. Truman said no--he wanted an unconditional surrender.
When Japan finally did surrender, it was with essentially the same terms it offered previously.
Read Gar Alperovitz's "The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb," published in the mid-90s.
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posted November 02, 2007 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by Tripe Face:
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Originally posted by Marty McFly:
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Originally posted by NewsMom:
I am so very tired of hearing the stupid logic of slaughtering tens of thousands of Japanese "in order to save lives." Truman was nothing less than a mass-murderer.
Agreed.
We targeted innocent civilians. When terrorists do that, we're sickened. And rightfully so.
Read history... Hiroshima was a key city in Japan's Military idustrustrial complex. It was making weapons to kill Americans.
Also, as I mentioned before. Japan had no "Civilians" every person old enough to hold a knife, sword or gun was sworn into a kind of homeland defense force and trained to kill American GIs.
Absolutely! By god! All those toddlers and 85 year old women were out to get you!
We can debate whether fewer innocents died under "the bombs" than would have been killed in traditional war. But don't you dare presume to convince me that everybody killed and maimed deserved it!
Using your mentality, local police should just fire bomb every 'hood suspected of harboring gangstas, innocents be damned.
I'm sorry, but I refuse to call someone who made a living killing other human beings who were innocent a hero.
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posted November 02, 2007 03:24 PM
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It's bad enough that you pu--y peaceniks are stupid, but then you try to re-write history to boot. Somebody suggested you go read a book. How about a history book.
God help us all.
I'd suggest the same for you. Japan offered to surrender two weeks before the bomb was dropped. Truman said no--he wanted an unconditional surrender.
When Japan finally did surrender, it was with essentially the same terms it offered previously.
Read Gar Alperovitz's "The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb," published in the mid-90s.
I don't need to read some revisionist BS book.
That's the whole problem with trying to re-write history. The same terms it "offered previously"
were NOT unconditional surrender.
Those bastards had no bargaining position and in fact the Japanese military command tried to get Hirohito to fight on even after Nagasaki.
What is wrong with you people? I reiterate that I thank GOD none of you loons were in charge back then. Although you'll probably be the death of this great country eventually anyway.
You don't seem to understand that we are at war for our very survival and you idiots continue to give aid and comfort to the enemy because you are too scared and stupid (not referring to you personally !) to stand up to the murdering bastards.
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posted November 02, 2007 03:27 PM
Obewon, I'm assuming you speak of current Iraqis. Yeah, see, we invaded THEIR country, not they us. In this case, WE'RE the murdering bastards. You should be ashamed of your blood lust.
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posted November 02, 2007 03:31 PM
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Obewon, I'm assuming you speak of current Iraqis. Yeah, see, we invaded THEIR country, not they us. In this case, WE'RE the murdering bastards. You should be ashamed of your blood lust.
You're right, I've thought about it and I am truly ashamed. Please forgive me. Thank you. (actually it is blood sport)
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posted November 02, 2007 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Obewon:
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Originally posted by !:
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Originally posted by Obewon:
It's bad enough that you pu--y peaceniks are stupid, but then you try to re-write history to boot. Somebody suggested you go read a book. How about a history book.
God help us all.
I'd suggest the same for you. Japan offered to surrender two weeks before the bomb was dropped. Truman said no--he wanted an unconditional surrender.
When Japan finally did surrender, it was with essentially the same terms it offered previously.
Read Gar Alperovitz's "The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb," published in the mid-90s.
I don't need to read some revisionist BS book.
That's the whole problem with trying to re-write history. The same terms it "offered previously"
were NOT unconditional surrender.
Exactly. They did not surrender unconditionally.
But, hey, you just keep your head in the sand. Wouldn't want you to have to worry about having your views challenged by facts.
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posted November 02, 2007 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by !:
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Originally posted by Obewon:
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Originally posted by !:
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Originally posted by Obewon:
It's bad enough that you pu--y peaceniks are stupid, but then you try to re-write history to boot. Somebody suggested you go read a book. How about a history book.
God help us all.
I'd suggest the same for you. Japan offered to surrender two weeks before the bomb was dropped. Truman said no--he wanted an unconditional surrender.
Ok, I was referring to you comrade
When Japan finally did surrender, it was with essentially the same terms it offered previously.
Read Gar Alperovitz's "The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb," published in the mid-90s.
I don't need to read some revisionist BS book.
That's the whole problem with trying to re-write history. The same terms it "offered previously"
were NOT unconditional surrender.
Exactly. They did not surrender unconditionally.
But, hey, you just keep your head in the sand. Wouldn't want you to have to worry about having your views challenged by facts.
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posted November 02, 2007 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by Marty McFly:
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Originally posted by Tripe Face:
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Originally posted by Marty McFly:
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Originally posted by NewsMom:
I am so very tired of hearing the stupid logic of slaughtering tens of thousands of Japanese "in order to save lives." Truman was nothing less than a mass-murderer.
Agreed.
We targeted innocent civilians. When terrorists do that, we're sickened. And rightfully so.
Read history... Hiroshima was a key city in Japan's Military idustrustrial complex. It was making weapons to kill Americans.
Also, as I mentioned before. Japan had no "Civilians" every person old enough to hold a knife, sword or gun was sworn into a kind of homeland defense force and trained to kill American GIs.
Japan was already offering to surrender. That wasn't good enough?
What? No they weren't. We bombed Hiroshima and waited. They still wouldn't surrender, so we bombed Nagasaki. Then they got the message.
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posted November 02, 2007 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by Produce man:
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Originally posted by Marty McFly:
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Originally posted by Tripe Face:
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Originally posted by Marty McFly:
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Originally posted by NewsMom:
I am so very tired of hearing the stupid logic of slaughtering tens of thousands of Japanese "in order to save lives." Truman was nothing less than a mass-murderer.
Agreed.
We targeted innocent civilians. When terrorists do that, we're sickened. And rightfully so.
Read history... Hiroshima was a key city in Japan's Military idustrustrial complex. It was making weapons to kill Americans.
Also, as I mentioned before. Japan had no "Civilians" every person old enough to hold a knife, sword or gun was sworn into a kind of homeland defense force and trained to kill American GIs.
Japan was already offering to surrender. That wasn't good enough?
What? No they weren't. We bombed Hiroshima and waited. They still wouldn't surrender, so we bombed Nagasaki. Then they got the message.
You're skipping posts, aren't you?
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posted November 02, 2007 04:05 PM
Ah yes, the most beloved mass murderer in American history.
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posted November 02, 2007 04:05 PM
Congratulations, you win. I quit. My head is imploding from the ignorance here. The fun is all over now I reckon
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posted November 02, 2007 04:09 PM
And another thing, for all the anti-war pu--sys out there.
When they come for you, you can come to my house and I'll protect your coward asses.
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posted November 02, 2007 04:15 PM
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Ah yes, the most beloved mass murderer in American history.
Now you see why they surrendered.
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