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posted January 09, 2006 03:14 AM
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - The American singer and activist Harry Belafonte called President Bush "the greatest terrorist in the world" on Sunday and said millions of Americans support the socialist revolution of Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez.
Belafonte led a delegation of Americans including the actor Danny Glover and the Princeton University scholar Cornel West that met the Venezuelan president for more than six hours late Saturday. Some in the group attended Chavez's television and radio broadcast Sunday.
"No matter what the greatest tyrant in the world, the greatest terrorist in the world, George W. Bush says, we're here to tell you: Not hundreds, not thousands, but millions of the American people ... support your revolution," Belafonte told Chavez during the broadcast.
The 78-year-old Belafonte, famous for his calypso-inspired music, including the "Day-O" song, was a close collaborator of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and is now a UNICEF goodwill ambassador. He also has been outspoken in criticizing the U.S. embargo of Cuba.
Chavez said he believes deeply in the struggle for justice by blacks, both in the U.S. and Venezuela.
"Although we may not believe it, there continues to be great discrimination here against black people," Chavez said, urging his government to redouble its efforts to prevent discrimination.
Belafonte accused U.S. news media of falsely painting Chavez as a "dictator," when in fact, he said, there is democracy and citizens are "optimistic about their future."
Dolores Huerta, a pioneer of the United Farm Workers labor union also in the delegation, called the visit a "very deep experience."
Chavez accuses Bush of trying to overthrow him, pointing to intelligence documents released by the U.S. indicating that the CIA knew beforehand that dissident officers planned a short-lived 2002 coup. The U.S. denies involvement, but Chavez says Venezuela must be on guard.
Belafonte suggested setting up a youth exchange for Venezuelans and Americans. He finished by shouting in Spanish: "Viva la revolucion!"
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posted January 09, 2006 03:39 AM
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Chavez said he believes deeply in the struggle for justice by blacks, both in the U.S. and Venezuela.
"Although we may not believe it, there continues to be great discrimination here against black people," Chavez said, urging his government to redouble its efforts to prevent discrimination.
Chavez also apparently said nothing about the great discrimination in the US against Latinos. He also failed to mention the discrimination against the native inhabitants of both countries. Interestingly, he also forgot to mention the discrimination suffered in the US against certain groups of white people - Jews, Gypsies, Irish - simply because of their racial background. My guess? He sees Harry Belafonte & Co. and sees that they're all black. So he doesn't mention the skin colours of the remainder of the population. Thanks, Chavez.
I support Chavez's revolution. I just wish that the Bush Administration would stop fencing its contribution to that revolution through China by using "defence expenditures" as its excuse.
Please, if that last bit of sarcasm slipped by anyone, please let me know.
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posted January 09, 2006 05:19 AM
Belafonte is to the left what Pat Robertson is to the right. Both morons...although Robertson is Yale educated and has a PHD..and was a Marine. Doesn't give him a free pass and belting out hits a few decades ago doesn't allow Belafonte to walk free here either. He's an idiot.
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posted January 09, 2006 05:26 AM
Of course Yale people are stupid. Ask any Harvard grad, they'll tell you. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted January 09, 2006 05:32 AM
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Originally posted by DeNunzio:
Belafonte is to the left what Pat Robertson is to the right. Both morons...although Robertson is Yale educated and has a PHD..and was a Marine. Doesn't give him a free pass and belting out hits a few decades ago doesn't allow Belafonte to walk free here either. He's an idiot.
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posted January 09, 2006 06:14 AM
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Originally posted by DeNunzio:
Belafonte is to the left what Pat Robertson is to the right. Both morons...although Robertson is Yale educated and has a PHD..and was a Marine. Doesn't give him a free pass and belting out hits a few decades ago doesn't allow Belafonte to walk free here either. He's an idiot.
Couldn't agree more...
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posted January 09, 2006 06:25 AM
Harry Belafonte has his own broadcast network and rakes in millions a year spreading lies about christianity?
Really?
Last I heard he was a retired calypso dude that makes a few speeches and says some stupid things once in a blue moon.
To equate the two is a stretch.
One has millions of followers and an outlet and spews every 3 months...the other, no one is listening to, won't get as much play from his stupid comments and doesn't control a multi-million dollar empire that tells people how to vote!
Albeit, what Belefonte said is stupid...but it's not on the same level as Robertson.
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posted January 09, 2006 11:03 PM
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posted January 09, 2006 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by Diplomat:
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Originally posted by DeNunzio:
Belafonte is to the left what Pat Robertson is to the right. Both morons...although Robertson is Yale educated and has a PHD..and was a Marine. Doesn't give him a free pass and belting out hits a few decades ago doesn't allow Belafonte to walk free here either. He's an idiot.
Beautifully said!
What a dopey statement.
Belafonte is a nearly forgotten musician who wrote a goofy song about a banana boat 40+ years ago.
Robertson has millions of impressionable, extremist television viewers clinging on his every word every night.
My Grandmother-in-law has mailed nearly her entire retirement savings to the guy.
Yeah, I guess they're a good comparison/contrast.
Wake up.
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posted January 10, 2006 02:30 AM
The only comparison is that they're morons who make ridiculous statements. Seriously, I think it's sad that people like your grandmother think Robertson walks on water. But before you dismiss Belefonte as a nobody...remember that Al-Jazeera and every anti-american country around the world will be showing that soundbite. And don't worry...he'll probably have his own Air America show soon.
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posted January 10, 2006 03:24 AM
I get a kick out of people who read something, think it sounds good, rush right in to write "Beautifully said" and other complimentary things, only then to grow sullen and quiet after more thoughtful readers correctly crucify the orignal statement for the undilluted bunk that it is.
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posted January 10, 2006 04:06 AM
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Beautifully said.
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posted January 10, 2006 05:20 AM
So you're saying that Belefonte and Robertson are not extremist morons? That was the original point...the one that people agreed with. It was a statement that there are fringe cooks on both sides of the political spectrum. How you can disagree with that is incredible.
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posted January 10, 2006 05:46 AM
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Originally posted by Judge:
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Originally posted by Diplomat:
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Originally posted by DeNunzio:
Belafonte is to the left what Pat Robertson is to the right. Both morons...although Robertson is Yale educated and has a PHD..and was a Marine. Doesn't give him a free pass and belting out hits a few decades ago doesn't allow Belafonte to walk free here either. He's an idiot.
Beautifully said!
What a dopey statement.
Belafonte is a nearly forgotten musician who wrote a goofy song about a banana boat 40+ years ago.
Robertson has millions of impressionable, extremist television viewers clinging on his every word every night.
My Grandmother-in-law has mailed nearly her entire retirement savings to the guy.
Yeah, I guess they're a good comparison/contrast.
Wake up.
The point in "comparing" Robertson and Belafonte is that there are kooks on both extremes. Perhaps you missed that. Or perhaps you think Belafonte isn't an extremist.
Harry Belafonte isn't on TV every day but he is far from being forgotten, despite the fact that he hasn't had a hit in decades. He has continued singing and acting and has been very active in several left-wing causes, as well as a lot of work for the UN.
I stand by what I said. The comparison in the previous post was on the money.
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posted January 10, 2006 06:09 AM
I guess, on some level, posters like Kace and Poppy have no problem with the content of Belafonte's comments.
As for his influence, Belafonte was one of AARP's "People of the Year" so I guess Robertson is not alone in his poisoning of the elderly minds in America!
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posted January 10, 2006 06:54 AM
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posted January 10, 2006 08:35 AM
It's not a matter of having a problem with he said or not. It's a matter of valuing Belafonte's opinion to begin with.
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posted January 10, 2006 08:47 AM
Is it true Pat and Harry plan to make a cowboy movie together?
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posted January 10, 2006 10:21 AM
And when it's all said and done ... daylight come and he wanna go home.
Okay, now I'm just stealing from The Daily Show
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posted January 10, 2006 11:07 AM
Who's Harry Belefonte?
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posted January 10, 2006 11:11 AM
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Who's Harry Belefonte?
That pretty much sums up Ron's point right there.
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posted January 10, 2006 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by Produce man:
Who's Harry Belefonte?
The brother of a toll taker at the Golden Gate Bridge.
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posted January 10, 2006 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by Kace:
It's not a matter of having a problem with he said or not. It's a matter of valuing Belafonte's opinion to begin with.
Beautifully said! ![[Rockon]](graemlins/icon_kidra.gif)
Well not really but you make a great point ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted January 11, 2006 03:46 AM
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Originally posted by DeNunzio:
I guess, on some level, posters like Kace and Poppy have no problem with the content of Belafonte's comments.
As for his influence, Belafonte was one of AARP's "People of the Year" so I guess Robertson is not alone in his poisoning of the elderly minds in America!
I guess, on some level, posters like DeNunzio and Diplomat always miss the point.
And I'll admit: it didn't occur to me that Belafonte was really addressing the AARP while talking to Chavez in Venezuela.
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posted January 11, 2006 05:22 AM
I guess, on some level, there are posters who are defending Harry Belafonte and what he said.
This isn't his first asinine statement. He has a history of ridiculous remarks. This one just got more news coverage than most of the prevous statements. He has received a pass for a long time because he is perceived as "thoughtful," a "humanitarian," and the like because of his activism.
He's just a celebrity who doesn't know what he's talking about.
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posted January 11, 2006 05:33 AM
Could be worse. He could be a message board poster who doesn't know what he's talking about.
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posted January 11, 2006 05:42 AM
Once again, Kace continues to defend this moron. It's sad that we can't even agree that Belafonte's statement was ridiculous.
My favorite was "Not hundreds, not thousands, but MILLIONS of Americans support your socialist regime." That is of course in addition to the: "Bush is the biggest terrorist in the world".
Too bad "millions" of Venezualans don't support his regime. 75 percent of them didn't even vote in the last election.
For the record, Harry is also a big fan of Castro...who is a good buddy of Chavez. Nice company.
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posted January 11, 2006 05:44 AM
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Once again, Kace continues to defend this moron.
...WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN???????
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posted January 12, 2006 01:38 AM
Don't fret over it, Kace. It's clear by now DeNunzio and Diplomat can't read.
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posted January 12, 2006 02:33 AM
Kace, you're right. Sorry but your lack of condemnation for Belafonte's remarks was taken as defense of them. As it turns out you just sit back and rip on people who agree with the opinion that his (Belafonte's) statement was idiotic and that he and Robertson represent radical elements. So...do you have an opinion?
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posted January 12, 2006 05:23 AM
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Don't fret over it, Kace. It's clear by now DeNunzio and Diplomat can't read.
No, it's clear you cannot read. I've said nothing about Kace's remarks. I stand by what I have said about Harry Belafonte. Even the left-leaning AARP, which recently praised Harry, has condemned his latest crazy remarks.
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posted January 12, 2006 07:01 AM
If it's a matter of absolutely needing my opinion, DeNunzio I think Belafonte's off the mark. I also think Pat Robertson's an attention seeker. Ultimately their opinions mean nothing to me, thus I don't feel the need to join in on the Hit Parade.
And don't worry, Diplomat. You and I are still cool.
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posted January 12, 2006 09:09 AM
Thanks, Kace.
And your sentiments about Harry and Pat are on the mark.
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posted January 12, 2006 09:31 AM
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I get a kick out of people who read something, think it sounds good, rush right in to write "Beautifully said" and other complimentary things, only then to grow sullen and quiet after more thoughtful readers correctly crucify the orignal statement for the undilluted bunk that it is.
I can think of a few major offenders who do just that. I won't mention any names though because I would probably be accused of making false accusations. Am I right about this Diplomat?
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posted January 12, 2006 09:34 AM
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Don't fret over it, Kace. It's clear by now DeNunzio and Diplomat can't read.
No, it's clear you cannot read. I've said nothing about Kace's remarks. I stand by what I have said about Harry Belafonte. Even the left-leaning AARP, which recently praised Harry, has condemned his latest crazy remarks.
I'm not sure who is in charge of keeping Diplomat's enemy list, but could you please add the AARP if it is not already there?
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posted January 12, 2006 10:09 AM
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If it's a matter of absolutely needing my opinion, DeNunzio I think Belafonte's off the mark.
Off the mark Kace? How about off the reservation? To say their opinions mean nothing to you is interesting....why would you bother reading the thread? As a father of multiple kids I promise you what they say has no direct impact on my life either...it's the debate and legitimate exchange of ideas that I find appealing.
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posted January 12, 2006 10:13 AM
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o say their opinions mean nothing to you is interesting....why would you bother reading the thread?
Nothing better to do.
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posted January 12, 2006 10:59 AM
I am NOT saying I agree with Belafonte (or Chavez, Roberston, Castro or Kace).
But can someone just make an effort to explain why George Bush should at least be considered the "greatest terrorist in the world" By his own admission his "war" in Iraq has killed 30-thousand Iraqi CIVILIANS... and 2,200 American Servicemen and Women. Now you may not consider that the act of a terrorist (I for one do not) BUT many many people who live outside the United States don't see a difference between what Osama did to US and what we are doing to Iraq.
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posted January 12, 2006 11:03 AM
Chavez, Roberston, Castro or Kace
Leader of a country
Religious Media mogul mumbojumbo
Leader of a country
Dude at a message board
1 of these people is not like the others. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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posted January 12, 2006 11:23 AM
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