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Bill Lumbergh
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posted September 23, 2007 09:05 PM
Lawmakers are now considering withholding funding for Columbia to protest Ahmadinejad's speech. WHAT?!?!?!?!
Isn't this the problem? As I see it, it's the government's refusal to listen to what other leaders, other governments, other cultures have to say that the U.S. is hated by so many and has all but destroyed its standing around the world.
It makes me sick.
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posted September 23, 2007 09:18 PM
I agree with you Bill.
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posted September 23, 2007 09:38 PM
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posted September 23, 2007 09:52 PM
It gets better. One state politician says Ahmadinejad should be arrested when he shows up at Columbia. FOR WHAT? For not agreeing with the policies of the United States?
Maybe the U.S. Senate can waste another day by drawing up a resolution condemning his visit, much as they did for the Petreus ad. Nauseating.
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posted September 23, 2007 10:02 PM
Would you invite a man who raped your daughter into your home?
Nations are still sovereign. We do NOT live under a global government. Iran is our enemy. It is a terrorist state. Their opinion matters for squat.
If you want to support terrorists, move to canada.
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posted September 23, 2007 10:04 PM
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Would you invite a man who raped your daughter into your home?
I highly doubt Ahmadinejad raped Lumbergh's daughter. 'Sides, he'd be too distracted by, "PC Load Letter."
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posted September 23, 2007 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh:
Lawmakers are now considering withholding funding for Columbia to protest Ahmadinejad's speech. WHAT?!?!?!?!
Columbia is a private university with a $5.94 BILLION endowment. I doubt they're worried about screwball Duncan Hunter.
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posted September 23, 2007 10:33 PM
Some people are just looking for something to get upset about.
This is very, very minor. As long as Ahmadinejad does not call for the violent overthrow of the U.S. government (at his speech at Columbia), no problem.
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posted September 23, 2007 11:59 PM
It's called free speech. I believe it's still in that constitution thingy some old guys signed a few years ago.
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posted September 24, 2007 12:07 AM
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Would you invite a man who raped your daughter into your home?
Nations are still sovereign. We do NOT live under a global government. Iran is our enemy. It is a terrorist state. Their opinion matters for squat.
If you want to support terrorists, move to canada.
you are a:
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posted September 24, 2007 12:14 AM
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Would you invite a man who raped your daughter into your home?
Nations are still sovereign. We do NOT live under a global government. Iran is our enemy. It is a terrorist state. Their opinion matters for squat.
If you want to support terrorists, move to canada.
you are a:
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posted September 24, 2007 06:08 AM
It never ceases to amaze me that people want to listen to Bullsh*t. The Iranian president is dishonest and his country is responsible for killing American soldiers. It's really that simple. Scott Pelley (sp) did a great interview last night. Do I blame 60 minutes for doing that. No. Free enterprise and they're Journalists. Columbia's president is not and he's given him a stage. It's unclear to me why the Federal government gives any money to private universities anyway except for student aid.
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posted September 24, 2007 06:46 AM
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Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh:
Lawmakers are now considering withholding funding for Columbia to protest Ahmadinejad's speech. WHAT?!?!?!?!
Isn't this the problem? As I see it, it's the government's refusal to listen to what other leaders, other governments, other cultures have to say that the U.S. is hated by so many and has all but destroyed its standing around the world.
It makes me sick.
So which part do you think we should embrace: the Holocaust denial part, the promise to wipe Israel off the map part or the threats against the U-S part?
Are you so thick-headedly ignorant that you think "Gee, if we just listen to what they have to say, then all will be peaches and cream"? We do listen to what they say, and that's the problem. Iran is a terrorist state, its leader is a maniacal nutjob ... the sooner you and the other whacko leftists realize this, the better.
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posted September 24, 2007 07:27 AM
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It never ceases to amaze me that people want to listen to Bullsh*t.
Dude, we elected Bill Clinton, then GW Bush to 2 terms each.
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posted September 24, 2007 07:41 AM
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[QB]Scott Pelley (sp) did a great interview last night. Do I blame 60 minutes for doing that. No.[QB]
I disagree. The interview last night made me uncomfortable. Pelley (sp), I felt, just kept repeating to Ahmadinejad what he wanted to hear and feigned outrage when Ahmadinejad didn't say ... "Yes, of course, we're headed towards war." and "Yes we're building nuclear weapons."
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posted September 24, 2007 07:41 AM
Maybe if Ahmadinejad gets a forum it'll be more difficult to demonize him and maybe people will be less willing to support a war against Iran. We all know that that is what Bush is angling for now.
I'm not saying that old Mahmoud is a nice guy or even a sane guy but only hearing one side is how we got suckered into Iraq. Not understanding life in the Middle East and the mindset of Middle Eastern people is how we botched the whole thing.
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posted September 24, 2007 07:50 AM
Yet another example of PC wackos run amok. If we're scared of what this guy has to say to the point of trying to ban him or punish those who would give him a stage ... then the Idea of America doesn't really mean a whole lot.
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posted September 24, 2007 08:00 AM
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It's called free speech. I believe it's still in that constitution thingy some old guys signed a few years ago.
He should be allowed the same freedoms he allows his constituents.
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posted September 24, 2007 08:06 AM
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It's called free speech. I believe it's still in that constitution thingy some old guys signed a few years ago.
He should be allowed the same freedoms he allows his constituents.
He has constituents? Look, are we so afraid of this guy we're not going to allow him to speak in our country? If that's the case, we're a buncha wusses.
And do we have so little confidence in the judgment of people who plan to listen to him speak we think they'll immigrate to Iran or something?
Somehow, I doubt that will be the result. But that's just my opinion.
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posted September 24, 2007 08:06 AM
Let the guy have his say. We can only hope all the so-called "socially concerned" students who shout down anyone they don't agree with will at least ask tough questions of him.
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posted September 24, 2007 08:11 AM
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Maybe if Ahmadinejad gets a forum it'll be more difficult to demonize him and maybe people will be less willing to support a war against Iran. We all know that that is what Bush is angling for now.
I'm not saying that old Mahmoud is a nice guy or even a sane guy but only hearing one side is how we got suckered into Iraq. Not understanding life in the Middle East and the mindset of Middle Eastern people is how we botched the whole thing.
But what you are saying is Mahmoud speaks for the majority of the Middle East. So when he calls for attacks on a UN member state, the Middle East is calling for those attacks. You believe that his nation's supply of weapons to Iraqi insurgents to kills American soldiers is noble? By the thinking of those on this board, everyone should have a forum. Maybe he should teach a class at Columbia so we'll have a better understanding of the Middle East. Maybe we should allow him a wider audience to deny the Holocaust, you know put it into textbooks throughout the middle east, teach the kids that it never happened and that Jews are animals and women aren't equal to men and that if you're not Muslim, well, you're nothing and killing nothing itsn't wrong. All that, and yet, you likely support legislation banning hate speach.
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posted September 24, 2007 08:23 AM
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It's called free speech. I believe it's still in that constitution thingy some old guys signed a few years ago.
He should be allowed the same freedoms he allows his constituents.
He has constituents? Look, are we so afraid of this guy we're not going to allow him to speak in our country? If that's the case, we're a buncha wusses.
And do we have so little confidence in the judgment of people who plan to listen to him speak we think they'll immigrate to Iran or something?
Somehow, I doubt that will be the result. But that's just my opinion.
Well he is a president. Does he not have people in his country. My point was that people are using the constitution to protect a man who comes from a place where certain freedoms aren't enjoyed. I'm not afraid of what he's going to say but given some of his beliefs, I'm surprised more on here are not calling for him to be shut down. BTW I believe in free speech no matter how much I disagree. Just making argument for the sake of. If only Hitler were alive so he could be invited to speak at a university.
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posted September 24, 2007 08:25 AM
I don't see Scarlet saying that the president of Iran speaks for the Middle East, or even a majority of the Middle East. But perhaps I missed something when I read her post.
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posted September 24, 2007 08:54 AM
Some of the idiotic comments on here are, to put it mildly, stupefying. Afraid of what he has to say? Hardly, but nice effort at diverting the discussion. It's about giving a platform and lending legitimacy to man who:
1) is the President of a terrorist nation
2) supplies weapons/terrorists to kill American service personnel in Iraq
3) has called for the destruction of Israel
4) is actively seeking nuclear capabilities.
This is not about freedom of speech (something which Mr. A certainly enjoys taking advantage of here, but is unwilling to allow in his own country) or even academic freedom ... academic freedom is supposed to foster the exchange of HONEST ideas and differing points of view ... what Ahmadinejad brings to the table is not honest and he's in no way interested in any other opinion that differs from his own. Our moral relativist academics who are so deluded they think they can ask him some tough questions and by gosh, that will show HIM, are so willfully ignorant it's disgusting. These are people who regularly shun conservative speakers, disinvite other speakers out of fear they'll offend some activist group and refuse to allow groups like the ROTC recruit on campus (Columbia), yet they're more than willing to give this man a platform. There's a term for this: useful idiots, and Ahmadinejad is going to be laughing to himself all the way back to Tehran.
Let's take his name and position out of it, and say this is just some guy who advocates executing homosexuals, favors the restriction of basic human rights and whose religion calls for the subjectification and ritualistic sexual mutilation of women. Ya think Columbia would be tripping over itself to give that guy a forum? Of course not ... but Ahmadinejad is anti-George Bush and that's good enough for them.
Freedom of speech is not the issue here. It's about legitimizing a man who personifies everything our nutjob leftists profess to hate. That they can't see the irony here is pathetic.
I ... and any other sensible person ... don't fear what he has to say. America is more at risk from the radical political correctness that seeks to justify his presence on a college campus for the sake of 'dialogue'. The dialogue's over. He's had his say and anyone who's heard it and understood it should reject it wholeheartedly. If you don't get that, God help us all.
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posted September 24, 2007 09:00 AM
Well...We allow the KKK to march and speak here.
What do you think about that, Clever?
Is that okay because they're "home-grown" terrorists? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted September 24, 2007 09:02 AM
1) is the President of a terrorist nation
But then again, aren't they all?
2) supplies weapons/terrorists to kill American service personnel in Iraq
Kinda like...us?
3) has called for the destruction of Israel
I remember running across something about that and one of the main translations for it had more to do with him saying that Jerusalem belonged to Palestine more than it did with saying, "Dude we're gonna totally erase those Israeli fellas." But then again, maybe I'm not focusing my hatred correctly. Then again, I'm not one to hate other people...yeah, I'm weird.
4) is actively seeking nuclear capabilities.
As opposed to actually HAVING nuclear capabilities.
I apologize...I'm just in one of those playful moods today.
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posted September 24, 2007 09:06 AM
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Well...We allow the KKK to march and speak here.
What do you think about that, Clever?
Is that okay because they're "home-grown" terrorists?
Let me know when Columbia invites them to speak.
Robert Byrd doesn't count.
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posted September 24, 2007 09:07 AM
So you'd be okay if Columbia, the university, not some group within it, invited the KKK to speak. Oh, and Scarlett Termite's line where to we can better understand the Middle East by listening to Mahmoud, we the line I was refering to previously.
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posted September 24, 2007 09:10 AM
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Let me know when Columbia invites them to speak.
Robert Byrd doesn't count.
Might wanna pass that memo along to Sean Hannity.
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posted September 24, 2007 09:17 AM
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1) is the President of a terrorist nation
But then again, aren't they all?
2) supplies weapons/terrorists to kill American service personnel in Iraq
Kinda like...us?
3) has called for the destruction of Israel
I remember running across something about that and one of the main translations for it had more to do with him saying that Jerusalem belonged to Palestine more than it did with saying, "Dude we're gonna totally erase those Israeli fellas." But then again, maybe I'm not focusing my hatred correctly. Then again, I'm not one to hate other people...yeah, I'm weird.
4) is actively seeking nuclear capabilities.
As opposed to actually HAVING nuclear capabilities.
I apologize...I'm just in one of those playful moods today.
Playful or playing the village idiot?
1) Is this the moral relativism creeping in here? Are you saying Bush is a terrorist leader too? Or just saying that other people think he is?
2) WTF is that supposed to mean? It makes no sense, even given your reputation for vague inanities.
3) Google "ahmadinejad destruction of israel". The first of many articles that pops up is from the WaPo ... hard to see any gray area there:
Ahmadinejad: Destroy Israel, End Crisis
By SEAN YOONG
The Associated Press
Thursday, August 3, 2006; 10:49 AM
PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Thursday the solution to the Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel. In a speech during an emergency meeting of Muslim leaders, Ahmadinejad also called for an immediate halt to fighting in Lebanon between Israel and the Iranian-backed militant group Hezbollah.
"Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented," he said.
Ahmadinejad, who has drawn international condemnation with previous calls for Israel to be wiped off the map, said the Middle East would be better off "without the existence of the Zionist regime."
Israel "is an illegitimate regime, there is no legal basis for its existence," he said.
In Jerusalem, Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev responded by noting the ties between Ahmadinejad's regime and Hezbollah.
"Our operation in Lebanon is designed to neutralize one of the long arms of Iran _ Hezbollah," Regev said. "Hezbollah is their proxy, being used as an instrument of Teheran to advance their extremist agenda and the blow to Hezbollah is a blow to Iranian interests and a blow to all extremist jihadist forces in the region."
Ahmadinejad accused the United States of using Israel to try to control the Middle East and its oil wealth.
"Today the Americans are after the greater Middle East," he said. "The Zionist regime is used to reach this objective. The sole existence of this regime is for invasion and attack."
He urged Muslim states to "isolate" the United States and Britain, accusing them of supporting Israel's military offensive and saying they should be expelled from the U.N. Security Council.
Ahmadinejad also rejected proposals for deploying international troops along the Israeli-Lebanese border to separate the warring parties.
"Peace and security in Lebanon and its borders has to be preserved by the Lebanese government and people. Deployment of foreign forces is not acceptable in any shape unless it is just, based on U.N. rules and preserves the unity and territorial integrity of Lebanon," he said.
4) ah, the moral relativism card again. Sorry, you can only play that once in any given argument.
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posted September 24, 2007 09:29 AM
From what I understand, there will be Q and A following Ahmadinejad's speech at Columbia. As far as I know, this will be the first time he has ever allowed anything like that.
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posted September 24, 2007 09:35 AM
I remember when Columbia had all those broadcasting schools around the country. Did they also have them in Iran?
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posted September 24, 2007 09:43 AM
I appreciate these thoughts from www.larrykane.com.
A KILLER AMONG US - AHMADINEJAD IN AMERICA
September 23rd 2007 — Posted to News Flash
What a country! President Ahmadinejad will be speaking at Columbia University. While his nation’s university dissidents are quietly disappearing, the Iranian hate-monger and Holocaust denier is feted by one of this nation’s great institutions of learning. A serious saber-rattler, the Iran leader has done more than perhaps anyone in recent memory, with the possible exception of his own Mullahs, to spread hatred around the globe,
While he is visiting the country, perhaps its wise to do a net search on his name, and read his pronouncements. If you’re a student of history, perhaps you’ll notice the similarity in his words and their direct relation to the rhetoric that began the ill-fated Hitler regime in the early 1930’s. Or you may want to comprehend how dangerous words are.
I know: you already fear this. Whatever you fear about Iran, do not underestimate the danger of the verbiage as well as the military might. Iranians themselves seem to want more creativity and freedom, but free people are dangerous to the likes of Ahmadinejad, the Venezuelan oilman Hugo Chavez and the hemisphere’s greatest mass murderer, Fidel Castro.
So, it is true: only in America could his type of visit happen. Imagine Adolf Hitler visiting America in 1934 and being invited to speak at Penn or Columbia.
Here’s my point: although we have made grave mistakes in Iraq, we are still a nation filled with people who are more interested in pop culture than they are in the true nature of the world. As George Will recently communicated in an incredible Newsweek column, we are interested more in ostracizing people who make public errors (like the beauty queen who couldn’t understand geography), and denigrating those who are not like us, than we are in understanding the dangers facing us.
New York City officials have urged Columbia to withdraw its invitation to let the man speak.
I say, let him speak, even though it hardly embellishes Columbia’s reputation.
But as he does, make no mistake. There is a killer among us.
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posted September 24, 2007 09:50 AM
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Maybe if Ahmadinejad gets a forum it'll be more difficult to demonize him and maybe people will be less willing to support a war against Iran. We all know that that is what Bush is angling for now.
I'm not saying that old Mahmoud is a nice guy or even a sane guy but only hearing one side is how we got suckered into Iraq. Not understanding life in the Middle East and the mindset of Middle Eastern people is how we botched the whole thing.
BINGO!
I don't trust that crook Bush on anything he or his surrogates at Faux News say.
Everything that Bush has told us in the Middle East has been wrong. He is a horrendous leader. The worst.
My guess is that the real reason Bush wants to go to Iran is that big oil has asked him to rearrange the oil field contracts in Iran. This also means justifying more reasons for no-bid contracts and raping the American taxpayer while doing it.
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posted September 24, 2007 09:51 AM
Why was it OK for the US to fund Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war, but it's not OK for Iran to contribute to the insurgency against the US?
Seems like hypocrisy and righteousness to me.
Sort of like when Pelley told Ahmadinejad he has "American blood on his hands." Well, how much Middle Eastern blood do we have on our hands?
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posted September 24, 2007 09:52 AM
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It's called free speech. I believe it's still in that constitution thingy some old guys signed a few years ago.
From former Iranian hostage Barry Rosen:
HOSTAGE TELLS HIM: SHUT UP!
By BARRY ROSEN
BARRY ROSEN
1979-81 ordeal in Iran.September 23, 2007 -- Barry Rosen, executive director of public and external affairs at Borough of Manhattan Community College, was a hostage in Iran from 1979 to 1981. He studied Iranian culture at Columbia University.
I wonder what the Founding Fathers would think of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speech at Columbia University tomorrow.
They instilled the belief in all of us: Everyone has the right of free speech.
But I believe they'd be in a quandary about this one. I'd certainly like to talk to James Madison, who drafted our Bill of Rights, and ask him whether Ahmadinejad deserves that right.
Ahmadinejad is a reprehensible leader who violates free speech in his own country and cracks down on those Iranians who attempt to open up his repressive regime.
He uses speech to spread age-old anti-Semitic stereotypes in the Middle East, denying the existence of Israel, and denies that the Holocaust ever happened.
Ahmadinejad was one of those outrageous Iranians who took me and more than 50 other Americans hostage for 444 days, violating international law and making us suffer indescribable moments of terror.
There is simply no reason to give him a platform to spew his venom.
No matter how hard-hitting Columbia's president questions Ahmadinejad, the Iranian leader is a winner.
Every word he utters is meant for his radical constituents at home and legitimizes his standing among other dictators like Venezuela's Hugo Chavez.
It's only when Ahmadinejad permits his own people to march and speak freely, that I believe Columbia President Lee Bollinger would be justified in giving the Iranian president an open forum.
Not before then.
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posted September 24, 2007 09:53 AM
Usually you're a lot nicer to me, Clever but eh well. Maybe you're just having a bad day. Either way, I forgive you for the, "village idiot," response. ![[Hug]](graemlins/hug.gif)
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1) Is this the moral relativism creeping in here? Are you saying Bush is a terrorist leader too? Or just saying that other people think he is?
I'm just sayin' it could be said about anyone by anyone.
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2) WTF is that supposed to mean? It makes no sense, even given your reputation for vague inanities.
I didn't realize I had a reputation here, let alone one with vague inanities.
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3) Google "ahmadinejad destruction of israel". The first of many articles that pops up is from the WaPo ... hard to see any gray area there:
Well, this oughtta be fun...
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Ahmadinejad: Destroy Israel, End Crisis
By SEAN YOONG
The Associated Press
Thursday, August 3, 2006; 10:49 AM
Okay, everyone let's find in this article where Mahc-daddy says, "let's kill us some Jews, yee haw!" or something to that effect.
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PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Thursday the solution to the Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel. In a speech during an emergency meeting of Muslim leaders, Ahmadinejad also called for an immediate halt to fighting in Lebanon between Israel and the Iranian-backed militant group Hezbollah.
Alright, let's get to the quote that indicates as such...
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"Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented," he said.
Elimination of a regime. Okay, nothin' about destroying people so far, just a call to remove a Government entity, which can be done any number of ways, including through more peaceful solutions.
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Ahmadinejad, who has drawn international condemnation with previous calls for Israel to be wiped off the map,
...none of which are quoted in this article for clarity...
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said the Middle East would be better off "without the existence of the Zionist regime."
Which is certainly his opinion and arguably the opinion of others. But again, no, "let's kill us some Jews, yee haw!" so far. From the looks of it, he's not too thrilled about the guys running the place more than anything else.
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Israel "is an illegitimate regime, there is no legal basis for its existence," he said.
I'm sure the UN would disagree, but that's kinda irrelevant to the great hunt for, "let's kill us some Jews, yee haw!" which still is absent from the article.
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In Jerusalem, Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev responded by noting the ties between Ahmadinejad's regime and Hezbollah.
Depending on who ya ask, Israel's government possibly played a role in the formation of Hezbollah or one of those crazy groups over there. Not that it matters here, 'cause again...no direct quote of Mahcky wantin' to kill Israeli people.
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"Our operation in Lebanon is designed to neutralize one of the long arms of Iran _ Hezbollah," Regev said. "Hezbollah is their proxy, being used as an instrument of Teheran to advance their extremist agenda and the blow to Hezbollah is a blow to Iranian interests and a blow to all extremist jihadist forces in the region."
Coming up, Regev's indisputable evidence of such.
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Ahmadinejad accused the United States of using Israel to try to control the Middle East and its oil wealth.
Likewise, Mahcky's indisputable evidence of such here...along with his call to, "kill us some Jews, yee haw!" That paraphrased quote's bound to be in here somewhere, I can feel it!
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"Today the Americans are after the greater Middle East," he said. "The Zionist regime is used to reach this objective. The sole existence of this regime is for invasion and attack."
Nope, not in that quote, either. C'mon, Sean don't let us down!
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He urged Muslim states to "isolate" the United States and Britain, accusing them of supporting Israel's military offensive and saying they should be expelled from the U.N. Security Council.
But oddly, not killed.
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Ahmadinejad also rejected proposals for deploying international troops along the Israeli-Lebanese border to separate the warring parties.
Maybe he's more in favor of putting referees there. LOL
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"Peace and security in Lebanon and its borders has to be preserved by the Lebanese government and people. Deployment of foreign forces is not acceptable in any shape unless it is just, based on U.N. rules and preserves the unity and territorial integrity of Lebanon," he said.
Wait...what about Israel? And that whole, "wipe 'em off the Earth," thing? It's...it's not here. I feel so jaded. I hope you're happy!!!
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4) ah, the moral relativism card again. Sorry, you can only play that once in any given argument.
Actually, I can make whatever argument I want...especially when it's with someone throwing, "village idiot," around. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
But I forgive you!
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posted September 24, 2007 09:53 AM
I've a hunch the guy would not be as welcomed by the left if he didn't hate President Bush so much.
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posted September 24, 2007 09:57 AM
Yeah, but what about a hunch that would say he might be welcomed more by the right?
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posted September 24, 2007 10:05 AM
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Yeah, but what about a hunch that would say he might be welcomed more by the right?
Touché Kace, nicely played.
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