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Notice: Florida State University has mandated effective 24 May 2006 that no real-time weather forecasts relating potentially in any way to hurricanes are to be disseminated by faculty or students at FSU.

Consequently, this web page has been shut down UFN.

The authors of these web pages realize the value Of these pages, do not agree with the decision, And are working hard to overturn it.

A contact email and phone number to register complaints will be posted here soon.

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posted May 24, 2006 03:31 PM                      

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Originally posted by wxspec:
our good friend Senator Santorum press.. Is it finally getting the ball rolling on his master plan for ACU WX to rule the world?

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Actually, this is exactly the OPPOSITE of what Santorum would want to see, especially if the NHC gets access to the information and no one else except University students or employees are allowed access it feeds right into his original bill stating that the NWS holds back info to the detriment of private weather companies...and local TV mets like us.

Now, from the website address, it looks like it's just an MM5 model. There's no reason why someone can't run the MM5 themselves centered on the hurricane's domain....I'm guessing it's more than that of course, but food for thought.

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Originally posted by wxspec:
our good friend Senator Santorum press.. Is it finally getting the ball rolling on his master plan for ACU WX to rule the world?

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Actually, this is exactly the OPPOSITE of what Santorum would want to see, especially if the NHC gets access to the information and no one else except University students or employees are allowed access it feeds right into his original bill stating that the NWS holds back info to the detriment of private weather companies...and local TV mets like us.

Now, from the website address, it looks like it's just an MM5 model. There's no reason why someone can't run the MM5 themselves centered on the hurricane's domain....I'm guessing it's more than that of course, but food for thought.

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posted May 24, 2006 07:19 PM                      

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Notice: Florida State University has mandated effective 24 May 2006 that no real-time weather forecasts relating potentially in any way to hurricanes are to be disseminated by faculty or students at FSU due to liability concerns.

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posted May 24, 2006 07:49 PM                         

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Originally posted by Red Rover:
I can understand them not wanting anything to do with Hurricane(s)

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No, the kind of hurricanes we're talking about are ok.....NO KICKERS ARE INVOLVED!

posted May 24, 2006 09:04 PM                         

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Kirby W. Kemper,
You and your "staff" are just plain stupid. What liability issues? Do you and your so called "informed" staff realize that if liability was an issue in weather forcasting, I could sue my local met for missing the Blizzard of 1996 by 2 feet? There is no liability here. What I see is a bunch of scared non-meteorologist administrators being scared by what the University's legal team has to say on the matter. DO SOME FACT CHECKING is all the advice I can give to you. Feel free to respond to anything in this email if you feel up to it.

And you call yourself a researcher...

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posted May 24, 2006 09:33 PM                       

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Originally posted by Jay Embee:
Whole text of an email I just sent to Kirby...

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Kirby W. Kemper,
You and your "staff" are just plain stupid. What liability issues? Do you and your so called "informed" staff realize that if liability was an issue in weather forcasting, I could sue my local met for missing the Blizzard of 1996 by 2 feet? There is no liability here. What I see is a bunch of scared non-meteorologist administrators being scared by what the University's legal team has to say on the matter. DO SOME FACT CHECKING is all the advice I can give to you. Feel free to respond to anything in this email if you feel up to it.

And you call yourself a researcher...

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posted May 25, 2006 04:20 AM                      

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Originally posted by rdale:
How do people even come close to equating this with Santorum's bill? His bill would specifically ensure we get data like this. And I think it is also a far stretch to say more sites will be going offline. Step back and breathe ;>

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hehehehe It's just fun to stir the sh** pot from time to time Rdale.

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Originally posted by rdale:
"It's just fun to stir"

I understand - but if you want to fix the pot you gotta do it with truthful comments...

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posted May 26, 2006 06:09 PM                      

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Originally posted by FSU Weather:
The data will be back online soon. Everything (EXCEPT the Superensemble) will be available on FSU's web pages as before.

Now the Superensemble - that's a different story. No one will see that anytime soon. That's another story in itself. I won't go into details, however.

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posted May 26, 2006 08:23 PM                      

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Originally posted by Brick:
It sure would be interesting to know who the "commercial firm" is that ponied up the money to not only help develop the model but keep all its output to themselves...

sounds fishy

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I've got an idea of who it may be....

It sounds like that reply is being pasted into everyone's email. Poor Dr. Kemper....

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posted May 26, 2006 10:41 PM                      

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Originally posted by rdale:
I don't have the slightest clue... It's obviously not AW, and I don't think any of the other biggies that we can come up with would do something like this either. It's really not fishy at all for a company to give a lot of money to a university to do research that they don't give out freely. That sounds like a good business practice to me!

What's your guess?

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I have no guess. But I would never be so bold to say that "It's obviously not AW", and I would never claim to be so connected to "any of the other biggies" that I would claim it couldn't be them.

There's no demanding of a conspiracy theory here, but to throw a 180 from public data to completely private is a little odd, don't you think Rob?

All I'm saying is that it's bush league. And in a world where everyone is trying to claim ownership to everything from water to information, I think it's pretty pathetic to say it's "good business practice".



That's my guess. Care to offer yours?

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posted May 26, 2006 11:47 PM                      

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Originally posted by FSU Weather:
...because I've opted not to. Thanks.

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posted May 27, 2006 05:23 AM                      

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Originally posted by rdale:
If my company gives a university a million bucks to develop a new computer model - wouldn't it make sense that I don't let that info out for free?

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posted May 27, 2006 06:58 AM                      

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Originally posted by rdale:
What's your guess?

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posted May 27, 2006 04:00 PM                      

I'm not trying to claim any particular company's responsibility in this or debate their involvement. I don't care about AccuWeather. It's just that I'm not involved with any corporation enough to be so bold as to rule them in or out.

Alls I'm sayin'[sic] here is that the timing is suspect and it is awfully sudden to not think something is...yes...fishy.

Had the following not been said by someone I believe to be somewhat "in the know"...

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There's a lot more to this than meets the eye. It's quite an intriguing story to say the least. Still trying to sort through it all.

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